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I am removing this (unverified, advertisement for someone's religious theories):

Tanis, as Zoan, was also used by an earlier dynasty of kings who immediately predated the arrival of the Hyksos in northern Egypt' Nile Delta. These were the 14th Dynasty, :whom I believe ruled there until the early to mid 17th Century BC, when ABRAHAM is said (in the Dead Sea Scrolls) to have gone to Zoan in order to escape famine in Canaan. :(See my website "thecreativeuniverse.org" for more information).

NeferSnoopy 22:34, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am removing this:

It became known as Avaris, the Hyksos capital of the 12th Dynasty.

Tanis was never known as Avaris, and neither Tanis nor the Hyksos existed during the 12th Dynasty. —Nefertum17 19:58, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I agree that the above statement should have been removed. But, as a way of explaining how the initial author could have come to write that, it is worth remembering that it was the original excavator's (Pierre Montet's) contention that Tanis was also Avaris. He has been proven defonatively wrong by subsiquent excavations -- particularly the discovery and excavations by the Austrians under Manfred Bietak of Tell el-Daba (ancient Avaris).

Likewise ("creative" theories aside) that Zoan is Tanis is not in itself controvercial: the identification goes back at least as far as the Septuagint and Vulgate, and is generally accepted by linguists. --Iustinus (talk) 05:08, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Current information source

The May/June 2005 issue of the magazine Archaeology has an article title "Treasures of the Forgotten Pharaohs" that is of interest. see the web site for more info. -- WCFrancis 03:40, 7 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Another article: [1]

Clarification?

"Tanis was inaccurately depicted as a lost city, having been destroyed in a sand storm and buried until 1936 when it was discovered by a German expedition outside of Cairo." Someone should clarify what is inaccurate about this. It was a lost city, right? Maybe just remove the words "a lost city."

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Tanis per consensus and WP:PT Born2cycle (talk) 22:03, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tanis, Egypt → Tanis — The ancient Egyptian city is without a doubt the primary use of the word "Tanis". On the dab page there are five other uses; three minor fictional characters (one definitely named after the ancient city), a tiny French commune (296 people), and a planet in a film. Of the nineteen articles that link to the dab page "Tanis", seventeen do so in the context of the ancient city. Green Giant (talk) 02:07, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tanis → Tanis (disambiguation)

Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Only one other of the entries at the dab page is called just "Tanis", i.e., Tanis, Manche, a commune of less than 300 souls. — AjaxSmack 01:08, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support, clear case of primary topic.--Kotniski (talk) 14:32, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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In popular culture

Vif12vf and 81.102.123.39, you have been continuing reverting each other for 3 days, please would you mind to have a seat and discuss here about your issues? Khruner (talk) 20:24, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a page about Raiders of the Lost Ark, and there's a reason why "In popular culture" sections, where they appear, are almost always placed at the very end of articles. A brief note about the role of Tanis in the film is sufficient, without going into unneeded detail. See WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:FANCRUFT. Vif12vf has made no attempt to justify their reversion of my changes other than arbitrarily protesting that they are "wrongful and disruptive", whatever that means. 81.102.123.39 (talk) 17:02, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bias in the 'Tanis and the Bible' section

The whole section seems biased, but what the bias is against seems unclear. Perhaps it's only trying to argue that "Tanis" and "Zoan" are not the same city, but it seems as if it's trying to argue against the historicity of the Exodus narrative.

The latter is completely irrelevant to this article.

The former is relevant to the article, but the current phrasing isn't very neutral.

1.) Even if there's no supporting archaeological evidence that "Zoan" and "Tanis" are the same city, there's clearly some evidence:

- Evidence from etymologies - The words "Tanis" and "Zoan" are both transliterations of the ancient Egyptian name for that city.

- Evidence from the Septuagint - The word "Zoan" in the Hebrew text was translated into Greek as "Tanis". While this doesn't show that "Zoan" and "Tanis" are the same city, it does show that scholars at least as far back as the third century BC believed "Zoan" and "Tanis" to be the same city.

2.) If Tanis's "demise" was caused by flooding or erosion or whatever, this really doesn't rule anything out. Because as far as I know, the bible doesn't say that Zoan was left uninhabited in the aftermath of the plagues and exodus. Perhaps the "demise" came much later and was due to changes in the Nile; this doesn't mean that Zoan and Tanis are two different cities. I'd also remove the word "non-historical"; the presumption that Zoan was never occupied by Israelities is somebody's opinion, not an established fact.

2601:49:C301:D810:15F8:7EFB:E92A:2E2C (talk) 14:01, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]