Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Philip Taylor Kramer

Philip Taylor Kramer was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was KEEP

I can't make heads or tails of this, but understand supernovas better than I do rock music, and suspect a joke. Some person by this name may have existed, "Philip Taylor Kramer" returns about 160 hits on Google, probably more without the middle name. Perplexed. — Bill 21:51, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

• Neutral. Search engines produce weird, extended results, though I can't seem to find anything truly concrete linking him to Iron Butterfly. Furthermore, "Taylor" appears to have been a nickname... if true. Any Iron Butterfly fans out there? Ian Pugh 22:01, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Thanks guys. Change vote to Keep. Ian Pugh 01:41, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
• C'mon guys, do I have to do everything for you? :-P I'd never heard of him either, but here's a Yahoo! article [1] that confirms the story, or at least the non-paranoid parts of it. I'd say the guy is borderline notable; he was a member of a very well-known band, even if they were past their prime, and his death apparently made some news. Isomorphic 22:09, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Better yet, here's CNN [2]. Isomorphic 22:15, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. By the way, to check up on music facts like this, allmusic is a great site. Posiduck 22:41, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • KEEP! This is a real person a real event and an interesting one. Why was it even put up for deletion? Askiser

Since I know nothing whatever about popular music, I read the article as using some poor guy, one rock musician surely out of thousands, as a canvas for 'faster than light occult (see below). I could see the guy probably existed, and that the account given in the article was patent nonsense, and was, as I said, perplexed. Now I'm off to withdraw the Vfd, and to perform surgery on the article. — Bill 21:32, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

• Keep: real and verifiable. Shane King 23:17, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)
• List on Clean Up: You guys need a certified Old Fart like me. Sure, I. Ron Butterfly (whose song "In the Garden of Eden" we all know) did have Phillip Taylor Kramer in it, and he died mysteriously. One of the unsolved mysteries, in fact (likely suicide). However, no faster than light occult junk, please. The facts are strange and interesting enough without the foil hat. Geogre 01:19, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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