Talk:Frasier Crane/Archive 1

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Archive 1

Longest Character run?

The article mentions that Frasier Crane is the character that has spent the most time on tv (20 years). However, the simpsons family have been one the air since 1987-21 years. Only on shorts on the Tracy Ullman Show at first, though, so should they count, too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.159.253.128 (talk) 19:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

True. It shouldn't be removed, but rather, re-worded.99.247.244.120 (talk) 04:33, 27 July 2009 (UTC)?

No references

This article doesn't cite a single reference. If I submit it for deletion on that basis, what particular brand of cognitive dissonance would you use to argue for keeping it? Rogerborg 10:27, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Was it really Boston, New York, and not Boston, Massachusetts? -- Oliver P. 21:40, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Must be Boston, Massachusetts, where the Cheers bar is. --Wik 21:57, Aug 18, 2003 (UTC)

defirences

there are several ties where the stories dont stick. like frasiers age and how martin was shot.. its a long series (11seasons) with a number of writers, so basicly mistakes are bouned to happen —Preceding unsigned comment added by Topsecrete (talk • contribs) 18:37, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Early life, and life on Cheers

Much of the info given in this section is from the show "Frasier" not "Cheers". Much of this info was not known about Frasier on "Cheers". This whole section ought to be redone and it would be good to point out and show the differences in the character on "Cheers" as opposed to "Frasier" because he was a very different character on each. Frasier only became so pompous on his show, while on "Cheers", although he was a bit pompous and a bit of a fancy when he first appeared, he soon became one of the guys and would join in on sports discussions and regular guy stuff and could understand these things and not have to have it explained to him as he did on "Frasier".

Birthday

"One episode said that Frasier was born in 1952, while in another his birthday was said to be the same as one of Queen Elizabeth's children (none of whom were born in 1952)." These two facts are not mutually exclusive, although the way they are phrased in the article gives the impression that they are: it is commonplace to read in some newspapers filler columns telling readers names of famous people they share their birthday with. It's a case of birthday v birthdate and the second episode referenced above did not state that Frasier was born on the same date as any of Queen Elizabeth's children. Kenguest 06:20, September 5, 2005 (UTC)

For what it is worth, there are more references in the show tying down his birthdate to just about 1952. For instance, there is the episode where he gives up his place in the emergency room line and is falsely reported to have died. In the early part of the first season (set in 1993), there are references to his being 41. Etc. etc. It basically has to be 1952. -Peter

Current version reads that Frasier was born 10th March 1962. There is no way this is correct. 1952 is the year offered on numerous occasions, the character is in his early forties when the show begins in 1993, etc.-Peter

I went ahead and changed the birthdate to 1952. I'm not sure about the 10the March part, but 1962 is definitely wrong.

Job

Is Frasier a psychologist or a psychiatrist? Apparently the show (wrongly) uses the terms interchangably.

I guess he's both, since he directly helps people, but has a passion for the science as well. But, he's probably more of a psychiatrist. Jackpot Den 06:44, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

JackpotDen, the distinction has nothing to do with style or passion. A psychiatrist has been to medical school and is able to prescribe drugs, whereas a psychologist is someone who has studied the human mind. Frasier is a medical doctor, thus he is a psychiatrist.

As far as I know, one generally becomes a psychologist having completed pre-med, and if they wish to become a psychiatrist, finish medical school. You can't really be a psychiatrist without being a psychologist, it's like being a doctor but being unable to function as a nurse. Not all psychologists are therapists, like not all nurses are caregiver-practitioner-thingies.

All of the above explanations on the difference between psychiatry and psychology are partially or fully wrong. Both clinical psychologist and psychiatrist treat patients. A clinical psychologist has a Ph.D. (generally 4 years undergraduate 7 years graduate school) and a psychiatrist is an M.D. (4 years undergraduate, 4 years medical school, 3 years residency) or D.O. Clinical psychologists are trained in psychology departments and professional schools of psychology, while psychiatrist go to medical school and then complete a residency in psychiatry. Clinical psychologist treat patients through talk therapy, while psychiatrist generally use medications such as SSRI's. Psychiatrist can use talk therapy with specialized training but usually do not because it isn't as lucrative as simply prescribing. Ph.D. clinical psychologists can prescribe in a couple states with specialized training but generally use talk therapy. There is a discrepancy in the show because Frasier talks about going to medical school but also discusses getting a Ph.D. (which he would not get at a medical school). Based on how Frasier and his brother Niles treat and assess their patients it is much more likely that they are Ph.D. clinical psychologists than psychiatrist as psychiatrist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.162.74.128 (talk) 04:12, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm a med student and I always found this weird. From the way him and Niles are portrayed they do seem more like counseling psychologists than medical doctors. To be sure, all the Freudian dream/subconscious analysis stereotypes are more (pop) psychology than psychiatry. Psychiatrists prescribe medication, and would deal more with actual psychotic patients. I think it would be unusual (but not impossible) for a psychiatrist to have a counseling radio show. A psychologist would probably fit this role better, but I guess the writers wanted to explain his wealth and snobbery and after all it is just a TV show. Soxfan267 (talk) 08:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

WGN just aired his first Cheers eps, and in one he flat out tells Sam he's not a doctor. I guess they changed their mind later or something.76.226.123.158 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:45, 8 October 2009 (UTC).

Money

Fictionally speaking, just how rich IS Frasier? He seems to throw money away left and right. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.122.208.51 (talk) 18:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC).

He would have to be pretty rich. The furniture he owns is worth thousands and thousands (for instance, the Eames lounge chair and Ottoman situated by his balcony would alone be $3-4k; most of the furniture would be several grand at a minimum (even that atrocity of a chair his dad owned must have cost at least $3-4k to custom remake in the episode "Blaze-e-boy")), the painting behind his piano looks like something like a Rauschenberg (and as such would probably fetch minimum $20k), the green glass sculpture by his fireplace is very obviously a Chihuly (again, probably something in the neighborhood of $20k). He dresses in very expensive suits, wears expensive shoes, dines regularly at top-drawer places, etc. He inhales foie gras and other expensive delicacies. He drives the Beamer and, in Seattle, an apartment like that would be *well* into seven figures. As a wine collector, I'd also like to add that he and Niles drink extremely expensive stuff (he has mentioned drinking top drawer wines like Gaja; in Lillith Thanksgiving Niles mentions that they were to drink a "case of Montrachet" over a Thanksgiving outing, which would probably be a minimum of $300 and could easily reach $3000 or more; Dom Perignon champagne, which he drinks like water, is $100 a pop or more, depending on the year; etc.). I would think that, when incidental expenses and all else are factored in, he would have to be pulling in *minimum* $400-500k per year to make it all work comfortably (and probably more than that). Note, however, that Frasier lives like a monk compared with Niles. -Peter, February 27, 2007.

It's unrealistic. He doesn't come from "old money" - his dad is very working class - and realistically he's more of an upper middle class professional who lives very well but still has to work for a living. I can't imagine he makes more than $250,000 a year as his show is local. Niles was married to a very wealthy heiress. - MF

He could well come from old money; we don't know how wealthy his mother was, but she seems to have had upper class tastes. He and Niles also went to a private school and spoke and behaved like children from a (stereotypical) upper class upbringing. LeighvsOptimvsMaximvs ^(talk) 21:06, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, I couldn't agree more: it is completely unrealistic. There's no way he could make it work. He is ballpark at least $250k per year short salary-wise. Frankly, even Roz is unrealistic: she lives much more modestly than Frasier, but still well beyond the means of someone in her position. -Peter, May 23, 2007

actualy concidering the fact that he is sendicated and that he does promos. that would get him lots of money. and also how many did bebe get him a huge raise. not to mention more than 10 years as a doctor.. also same goes for roz...so to a certain extint it is believable

I disagree: he has a small, local AM show, and even in a market like Seattle that does not make you $400k. And when he syndicated, it was to Spokane. People like Roz typically make very little in real life. -Peter, October 5, 2007

Languages

The article lists that Frasier can speak German. Couldn't he have spoken directly to the fencing instructor during the fight with Niles instead of interpreting via Marta? Or have I mis-remembered that episode? --Billpg 21:39, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I think this one can be chalked down to a continuity error on part of the program makers - in the episode you identify he can't speak German, but I think it's established in later episodes that he can (I think one of his plans is to do a translation of Freud or something). Can't remember which specific episode, though. --Joseph Q Publique 01:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

-One episode where I am pretty sure he speaks German comes in season eight, episode "Semi-Decent Proposal/A Passing Fancy" when he converses in German with someone in an electronics store line-Peter 9/2/06

Just for the sake of those who like to keep things "in canon" in their heads, I don't think the two episodes contradict each other. When someone asks me, "Do you speak French?" my answer is no, but then they're amazed when I can speak some French and also read it. And yet I still don't consider myself to "speak French". Most likely, in the "Frasier" universe, Frasier was being modest/conservative about his abilities when he said he didn't speak German, and he quite probably meant he didn't speak it conversationally, which is much, much harder than merely being able to read and write in it, thus his ability to attempt a translation of Freud. wikipediatrix 00:19, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Spam Abuse

A spammer named Fraser Cain has created this link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraser_Cain

Here is his only legitimate page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe_Today

I recommend this person be banned. A small ezine publisher masquerading as a TV celeb to try and steal extra hits to his website has to be a breach of the Wikipedia guidelines. At the very least it smacks of contempt for our intelligence or total disregard for netiquette. I also recommend that this section be deleted after action has been taken to rectify the matter. No need to give the little Troll any more attention. Here is how I discovered the vandalism. He was boasting about it at his site. http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=41740 UniverseToday 01:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Requests_for_investigation#New_requests for record of User:UniverseToday's activity. - Reaverdrop (talk/nl/wp:space) 03:36, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

A reply to the previous

How can you seriously consider an entry for a real living person in his real actual name, to be spam and "masquerading as a TV celeb" just because of the accidental similarity to the name of a fictional character in a TV show?

I consider your response to be in contempt of our intelligence since you apparently don't expect people to be able to distinguising the two spellings.

As for the claim of boasting, it was done with a lot of sockpuppets of UniverseToday who had earlier been banned from the board, which makes this look like a smearing campain by a disgruntles ex-user of the site in question.

I would like to apologise to fans of Frasier who inadvertently gets dragged into this dispute, this has nothing to do with you or Frasier and is only the result of UniverseToday's personal problems with a competing site. HenrikOlsen 12:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Just to add another voice of support: Fraser Cain is a real person (I work with him) and a legitimate person to have in wikipedia. He is the publisher of Universe Today, a podcaster for the Astronomy Cast podcast, and works on the BAUTForum. He works with Phil Plait, who has a page. - StarStryder 23 Dec 2006

Cheers episodes

Someone needs to go over his Cheers appearances. (Metnever 14:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC))

MD/PhD?

Does Frasier have both? - MF

Both. For instance, he has written himself prescriptions in "Frasier Crane's day off" (indicating an MD) and there are indirect references to his PhD (eg "My son with his PhD mind" in the episode "Retirement is Murder") but Bebe makes it clear that he holds both in the episode "And the Whimper is". - Peter

A psychiatrist is a medical doctor specializing in psychiatry. Why does he and his brother, Niles, seem to know nothing about medicine even though they both graduated medical school? (both from Harvard?) Gatortpk (talk) 06:55, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Languages - once again

The article now states that Frasier speaks French, German, Italian, and Spanish. Is there any evidence of Frasier speaking German? In one episode, he does say Guten Tag, but being able to say Good day in a language is quite different from speaking it. In the fencing episode, his German is non-existant, not even able to pick up the error in Martha's translation that leads to the fight. As for French and Spanish, he speaks them both at times. Always with a very heave accent, but clearly speaking them. Italian is ok as well I guess, although I haven't heard him actually use it.JdeJ 22:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

In the episode "Semi-Decent Proposal" he appears to clearly speak German. -Peter

More accurately, he converses with his later-to-be girlfriend Claire. After being insulted by Niles he says to her (with moderately understandable Pronounciation):

"Nimm ihn einfach nicht zur Kenntnis"

to which she replies (in barely understandable German) "Ja, ich verstehen was du meinen, ja [sic!]"

A translation:

Frasier: "Don't take any notice of him."

Claire: "I know what you mean, yes." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.11.6.205 (talk) 19:51, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Winslow?

What the source for Frasier's middle name being "Winslow"? He is twice referred to on Cheers as "Frasier W. Crane", but I cannot find any instances of his middle name being spoken aloud on-air, or shown on-screen. 172.129.148.229 18:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Good question. There are a set of transcripts from the show `Frasier' online (at http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Derby/3267/) (I have found these to be pretty accurate) and a quick search of them reveals no evidence for his middle name being "Winslow". If it was introduced within an episode, I think it would have to have been on `Cheers' or, less likely, `Wings'. -Peter, June 19, 2007.

Character differences

Should there be a section highlighting the rather extreme difference between Frasier on Cheers and Frasier on Frasier? I mean it's pretty clear that the writers of the latter took the character off in a completely different direction, doesn't that merit a section? -MichiganCharms 13:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

While I think there should be such a section, I'm not sure I'd agree that the differences were that extreme. It was just a different phase of his life, and a different setting. David Hyde Pierce once described Niles as the Frasier who never went off to Boston. -Peter July 30, 2007

In-universe style

This article needs more out-of-universe context about the character. I won't add the {{TV-in-universe}} template, because I think that's a bit obnoxious, but I do think that the article is lacking in real-world information. For example, what Cheers episode did Frasier first appear in? (I don't think he was in the first season.) Were the changes in the character's personality between Cheers and Frasier deliberate? I'm sure that there are interviews with Kelsey Grammer or the shows' writers which could shed light on the character's development. I'm not a Cheers expert, and I leave the task in the hands of those who are. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 02:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

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Nature of time spent at Oxford

In 'The Harassed' (episode 228, season 10) Julia says to Frasier, 'you're a magic eight ball with a Harvard degree' and some time later, after the sexual harassment meeting, he retorts, 'I'm just a magic eight ball with a Harvard and Oxford degree.' If he was a postdoctoral research fellow at Oxford I wouldn't expect him to have taken a degree there. Obviously his PhD and MD are both Harvard degrees since these degrees at Oxford are called DPhil and DM and the DM is a higher doctorate rather than a professional qualification. I assumed that his Oxford degree was a second BA (which would eventually lead to an MA) or a one- or two-year master's degree such as the MSt, MSc, MLitt, or MPhil (or the corresponding postgraduate bachelor's degrees if he studied before they were converted to master's degrees). When is it specified that he was a postdoctoral research fellow and when was it specified that it was at Corpus Christi College?--Oxonian2006 (talk) 18:54, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

It does just now occur to me that perhaps as a postdoctoral research fellow he would have been a member of Congregation and thus would have had conferred upon him the degree of Master of Arts.--Oxonian2006 (talk) 00:29, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I've adjusted the article to indicate that Frasier received a doctorate from Oxford. DPhil and PhD are two terms for the same degree, as you note; no doubt Frasier would tell his friends, family, and colleagues in America, where PhD is the usual term, that that is what he received from Oxford.

That said I wonder if we are at risk of unwarranted assumptions. All we know for certain is that a) he went to Harvard College, b) has degrees from both Harvard and Oxford, c) is a medical doctor, and d) has a doctorate. It's entirely possible that Frasier could have, after Harvard College, gone to Oxford, received a second BA there as you note, then gone back to Harvard for his MD and PhD; it's also possible that he could have received a BM BCh and a DPhil in Oxford, and just tells people he has an MD to avoid having to explain to Americans what a "Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery" is. Because of licensing complications this last possibility is much less likely than Frasier receiving at least his MD from Harvard, but it's not out of the question. YLee (talk) 06:07, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I've rewritten the education discussions to only include a-d above. I do specify "MD" and "PhD" as opposed to "medical degree" and "doctorate" since that's what Frasier himself says. Since the show's over, and its writers no doubt neither knew nor cared what Oxford's degrees are called, we can't say anything else in the article itself. YLee (talk) 16:55, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Accent

He doesn't have a normal American accent, so how can it be described? I think it should be added somewhere to this page. Please. Kansaikiwi (talk) 15:38, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Father Discrepancy?

In the Cheers episode "Two Girls for Every Boyd" Frasier states that his father was a scientist who died before he moved away from his theatrical aspirations and went into psychology. Is this contradiction with the "Frasier" TV show ever addressed? Nijyo (talk) 06:30, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

This is retconned in the episode "The Show Where Sam Shows Up" when Sam brings up this discrepancy and Frasier's explanation is that he said his father was dead because they had had an argument and he was mad at him. I'm pretty sure this is mentioned somewhere on Wikipedia, possibly on the Martin Crane page. Christophee (talk) 14:46, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Young Frasier

If we're including an actor who played young Frasier in the infobox, then shouldn't we also include the other actors who played the character as a child? The three that come to mind are Andrew Dorsett in "Where Every Bloke Knows Your Name", Dustin Tragethon in "Momma Mia" and Cameron Bowen in "Deathtrap", although there may have been others that I don't remember. Christophee (talk) 14:57, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Life on Frasier

The final episode ends with Frasier flying to Chicago to pursue a relationship with Charlotte, forgoing a new career in San Francisco.

Does he really give up the job in San Francisco? It is not stated in the last episode and can only conclude due to the fact that he flight to chicago which can have other resasons too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.123.108.69 (talk) 14:52, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

blue collar?

"While on the former he is a member of the upper middle class who sees no issue with brushing shoulders with the blue collar patrons of Cheers..."

Cheers is not a blue-collar bar. The bar's name is a bit hoity-toity, and we rarely see blue-collar patrons. Of the regulars, only Cliff is blue-collar. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 15:29, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

dinner parties

One of Fraiser's running jokes is that he and Niles can't throw a dinner party without it turning into a disaster. (Woody's wedding on Cheers is also a near-disaster.) They're brilliantly conceived farces, which is remarkable for a character-driven comedy. At the very least, there should be a list of these episodes. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 15:48, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Inline citations need improvement

In this article, refs cite episode names which are wikilinked to Wikipedia articles. These depend too much on the Wikipedia article, against WP:CIRCULAR. It's easily fixed, and your help is requested.

I've expanded several refs to include season and episode number. It can be taken as implied that the ep. is a Frasier ep., unless noted otherwise.
Ideally, the use of visual media as a source should include a timecode, but who has the time to rewatch (or script-read) all those eps?
Also ideally, more independent sources should be used to support in-universe claims.

--Lexein (talk) 01:23, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

WP:CIRCULAR doesn't apply here since the cites really don't depend on the linked articles' content. The episodes themselves serve as the cites; to paraphrase WP:TVPLOT, "the television show itself is the source, as the accuracy of the [information] can be verified by watching the episode in question".

Inserting season and episode numbers is definitely welcome though, and yes, timecodes are also welcome but would have to be done over a lengthy period of time as those who watch reruns edit the info in one by one.

Agreed that independent sources are always best for such cites, but I am not aware of a lengthy, detailed "Frasier Encyclopedia" that covers all 250+ episodes. Ylee (talk) 07:19, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Cool - thanks for taking the time to reply. --Lexein (talk) 01:34, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Need help restructuring this article

I have removed fictional biography about this character; I don't treat this article as if it should be a mere biography. Rather per WP:NOT, I have added creation and development and reception. Why have intricate details been added back? Now my head is spinning due to possibility that no one wants to watch Frasier the series, and I won't know which is relevant or irrelevant in terms of real-world perspective. As for fictional elements, unless relevant under real-world coverage, any intricate detail must be removed, including even his marriage to Lilith. (prev rev: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Frasier_Crane&oldid=476053274) --George Ho (talk) 21:08, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Lately, I have removed information that I deem as intricate details. Any objections, discuss first, add something based on real-world coverage then, and revert my removal last. --George Ho (talk) 22:03, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Never mind above stroked message. --George Ho (talk) 02:39, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

There is a case for removing some excess detail in some places, but basically this is not a bad article, so trimming should be just that - not content removal, trimming overly excessive detail. I cannot, however, conceive of any circumstance, rule or regulation that would make me agree that we should not mention his marriage to Lilith in an article about Frasier. Begoon ^talk 04:38, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

If Lilith thing is necessary, what about Education? Is that relevant? --George Ho (talk) 04:47, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, again, it could be trimmed, but, to me, the education background is all part of the "likeable pompous" character he is. If you're going to write an article about Frasier, his privileged educational background is relevant, yes. It's part of his character. The section could be rewritten to remove a lot of little details and opinion, though. Begoon ^talk 05:00, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

...Let's read Pauline Fowler first beforehand. --George Ho (talk) 05:07, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Nice article. Pauline presumably had no special or priveleged education to speak of, just standard state education - so nothing to mention really. Different character type, different importance in background. Oh, yes, and a little bit WP:OTHERSTUFF, although it is an FA, so valid comparison to that extent. Begoon ^talk 05:14, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't have any problem with the facts, unreferenced as most are. Definite keep. Some of the analysis veers towards POV. Wwwhatsup (talk) 08:35, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

What are the problems that veer toward POV? ~~--George Ho (talk) 08:51, 10 March 2012 (UTC)~~ In case, here's my rough draft: User:George Ho/Frasier Crane. --George Ho (talk) 08:53, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh, the personality section, but it's not egregious, by any means. I believe, George, that, rather than trimming this, your valuable time might be better spent building an article on some other deserving topic, but who am I to say? Wwwhatsup (talk) 09:14, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

What deserving topic? --George Ho (talk) 09:22, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

My own version of Frasier Crane

Pictures

I really don't think it's fair to only have two pictures of Frasier, since he changed so much over the years. I would like to add these pictures somewhere in the article:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/109/frasier1rebound.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/835/frasier2onefortheroad.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/205/frasier3thegoodson.png/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/715/frasier4goodnightseattl.png/
They are from his first appearance on Cheers, his last appearance on Cheers, his first appearance on Frasier, and his last appearance on Frasier. Does anyone have any objections or suggestions? Woknam66 ^talk _{James Bond} 21:55, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Two is fine. We must keep amount of non-free images at minimal, and each image must require a strong rationale. All images are good, but the current images we have are fine as they are, and they comply with image policies. ~~--George Ho (talk) 21:59, 9 April 2012 (UTC)~~

(edit conflict) From what I've learned, images must not be used to just provide a visual aspect of a character; images must be used to also collide and match the overall representation of Frasier Crane. --George Ho (talk) 22:02, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

According to number 5 at Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Images, it's alright to use a screenshot from a TV show as long as we say why it's there. Woknam66 ^talk _{James Bond} 22:27, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Maybe an image like this: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/585/frasierall.jpg/ Woknam66 ^talk _{James Bond} 22:40, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay, let's ask WP:MCQ about images, shall we? --George Ho (talk) 23:14, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

That's a good idea, I'll do it tomorrow. Woknam66 ^talk _{James Bond} 03:49, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Nanny G in Cheers

Does anybody know that Nanny G appeared in Cheers, portrayed by Emma Thompson? Frasier's marriage in Nanny G was already established in the 10th season of Cheers. Why assuming it was established in Frasier? --George Ho (talk) 20:14, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Right now we just have to take your word for it. Perhaps you can establish a specific reference. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 20:25, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes Nanny G was in Cheers. Episodes can be used as citations about their content. The character also made two appearances in Fraiser with different actresses.JOJ ^Hutton 21:01, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Speaking of inline citations, I haven't used one. Instead, I explicitly included episodes in body article in User:George Ho/Frasier Crane. Well, I skimmed down plot, but that's all I can do. Am I missing anything? --George Ho (talk) 21:04, 7 May 2012 (UTC)