Talk:Languages of East Timor

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POV?

"Even many people who were supportive of East Timor take this view [Portuguese being a colonial language and shouldn't be official], again mistakenly drawing parallels with Dutch in Indonesia." [emphasis added] -- isn't stating that this view is "a mistake" POV? --Menchi 20:58, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

This whole paragraph does not clarify why Portuguese should be the official language of East Timor. Critising opponents of the decision by comparing them to those who doubted East Timor's ability to self-govern does not address that issue.

That was not the intention of the paragraph, although East Timor's circumstances are very different from Indonesia's. Nor was it the intention to compare all opponents of the decision to those who supported the Indonesian occupation. See revised text. -- Quiensabe 02:35, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia in Tetum

We are looking for speakers of Tetum (ideally, native speakers) that may cooperate in the launching of a Tetum version of the Wikipedia. Visit the test page of the Tetum Wikipedia and support this project (click in Tetum). Regards --82.102.25.163 01:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC) Manuel de Sousa[reply]

The above links are now deprecated, as the Tetum Wikipedia is available. A-giau 20:28, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Language map

There's a really nice language map on this page. The author says that works can be used if cited (on the table of contents page) but I don't understand Wikipedia's copyright policy well enough to know if it can be placed here. The page also has good information that would be useful on this page (also relating to the Portuguese debate above).Rigadoun 20:44, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Little Dutch Influence on Indonesian Language and Culture - What?

Please stop making statements just because it might suit your political belief. I say it must be political (even though I can't see how) because there's no other reason for making such an unfounded statement.

"However, whereas the Dutch culture and language had little influence on those of Indonesia, the East Timorese and Portuguese cultures became intertwined, particularly through intermarriage, as did the languages."

Bahasa Indonesia has over 10,000 Dutch loan words, and all Indonesian languages excluding those used by the Chinese minorities have adopted the Latin script.

But whereas the Indonesians are mainly Muslim, the East Timorese are now majority Christians (though the growth must be attributed to the local, nativized Church rather than direct Portuguese influence). A-giau 20:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

East Timor was not majority Catholic when the Portugese pulled out. It became majority Christian under the iron-fist of Indonesia's Pancasila policy. This cannot be credited as a Portugese influence, and as you have noted the church is native influenced. The point is that the article has false information especially regarding the influence of the Dutch on Indonesia which was widespread and long-lasting.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.134.210.107 (talk • contribs)

Languages illustrated by first photo

Does anyone know which languages are illustrated in the first photo's speech bubbles? Obviously there's Portuguese and apparently Tetum, as well. Bobonaro, on the other hand, does not appear to be a language, unless it refers to a local dialect. A-giau 20:39, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

About the "Unreferenced" Tag

I think this is unjustified. For sources, see the External Links. FilipeS 09:55, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, it's not unjustified. The article makes many claims that are not backed up. POV tags could be easily justified too but that is another issue. Wikipedia needs to be made credible. People shouldn't have to look through all the external links hoping to find something to back it up. What you are essentially saying is, "trust me" it is all there. I am not saying it needs to be done now, but on the other hand, putting one main tag in there is better than putting a dozen {{citation required}} or {{fact}} tags through the article. Unfortunately, good articles need a lot of work. --Merbabu 13:36, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If there are indeed "many" claims that are not backed up in the article, then I'm sure you'll be able to name a few... FilipeS 15:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As i said above, i put the main tag at the top to avoid putting {{fact}} or {{citation required}} tags all through it. If you object to 1 main tag at the top, would not a number of other tags throughout the article be worse? Actually, it is not a question of "many", rather not 1 tag has a source. Sorry if I am showing something you are already familiar with this, but have a look here: [1]. Thanks. --Merbabu 16:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It seems you have nothing concrete to object to. FilipeS 16:26, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh - it's the same person from East Timor who like to blunt revert 10 changes at once. Perhaps that explains you curt answers. Since you are not actually answer or even refer to my specific comments, would you object to a few {{fact}} tags? --Merbabu 17:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your "specific comments"? You've made none here. But go right ahead and replace the page tag with individual ones, since it seems to be the only way to learn what it is you're objecting to, specifically. FilipeS 18:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please read again WP:CITE. External links are not source of references. Editors should list references in the References section with the style conform with what is described in WP:CITE. Cheers. — Indon (reply) — 16:31, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're quite right. The article already had that format before I started to edit it, but I've changed that now. FilipeS 17:41, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good job putting some refs in, Filipe. It's not a fun job! OK, i haven't actually checked them closely yet, but when i get a chance, i hope to help out with formatting and maybe add a few more. thanks --Merbabu 22:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding the footnotes. :-) FilipeS 19:22, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I attempted translations of the (Portuguese?) institution names into English. Please confirm they are correct. Thanks.--Merbabu 23:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Which expressions did you translate? FilipeS 11:39, 19 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

POV - 2015

Most of the article reads like an anti-Portuguese rant. It's poorly connected and the only common theme seems to be cherry-picking anti-Portuguese aspects. Badly needs more balanced writing.Jeppiz (talk) 18:01, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's been 6 years and we still need this tag? Kanatonian (talk) 17:02, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect East Timorese English and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 19#East Timorese English until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 05:28, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Timor Leste

en-TL: English language (Timor Leste) pt-TL: Portuguese language (Timor Leste) tet: Tetun language Yogapamungkas866 (talk) 16:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

for example:

pt-PT: dívida

pt-BR: dívida

pt-TL: kutang Yogapamungkas866 (talk) 01:38, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]