Talk:Plate appearance
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At bat
[edit]At bat is defined in terms of plate appearance, and plate appearance is defined in terms of at bat. What shall we do about this circular definition? Seems to me that place appearance is the more fundamental term, even though it is less commonly used. I think my modifications take care of it. Did I miss anything? --Locarno 21:45, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Agreed.
A plate appearance (PA) should be defined as a completed pitcher-batter confrontation.
Once you step into the box as a hitter, you will have a PA unless (1) someone else pinch-hits and completes your PA, or (2) the inning ends (as a result of a runner being put out) before you reach base or are put out. No other way to avoid it. A codicil to Exception (1) is that if your substitute batter inherits an unfavorable ball-strike count, you can still "earn" the strikeout (and the PA). Exception (2) could also involve a winning run being scored, say by a steal of home. Your PA may also be an an at bat (AB) if it isn't a base on balls, hit by pitch or catcher interference. WHPratt (talk) 17:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)WHPratt
It currently states:
"It should be noted that when a batter is awarded first base due to catcher's interference this is not recorded as a plate appearance."
I'm pretty sure this is wrong. It isn't charged as an at-bat, but certainly is a plate appearance. When did this creep in? WHPratt (talk) 18:49, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Pinch hitter
[edit]If the pinch hitter comes in with two strikes and then subsequently strikes three, I would think the place appearance is charged to the person the pinch hitter substituted for. WilliamKF 23:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Contradiction
[edit]The article contradicts itself.
"Uses" says:
- Player A, with 510 plate appearances and 400 at bats, gets 100 hits during the season and finishes with a .250 batting average. And suppose Player B, with 490 plate appearances and 400 at bats, gets 110 hits during the season and finishes the season with a .275 batting average. Player B, even though he had the same amount of at bats as Player A and even though his batting average is higher, will not be eligible for season-ending rankings because he did not accumulate the required 502 plate appearances
But "Rule 10.22(a)" shows the correct rule. The "uses" example is wrong because that player will be 110/412 (.267) even after the 12 ABs are added, and that's still better than .250
Someone correct this article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.228.159 (talk) 01:58, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
- The quoted text deals with rankings, i.e. a list of players by AVG/SLG/OBP, not batting titles, which Rule 9.22(a) applies to. Whether or not to include a "padded-eligible" player in a ranking, and where to put him, is a judgement call for list-makers, and on that point I defer to the original text, since it has a citation (albeit dead). To this end I have clarified the Rule 9.22(a) part to only apply to titles. TroyVan (talk) 17:58, 7 July 2018 (UTC)