Talk:Salvino D'Armati

This article was nominated for deletion on 1 June 2011 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

Salvino D'Armate survived vfd. See: talk:Salvino D'Armate/Delete -- Wile E. Heresiarch 06:13, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Delete this page

I have deleted the material on this page because the claim that eyeglasses were invented by Salvino D'Armate of Florence has been exposed as a hoax. The evidence will be found in:

(1) Edward Rosen (1956) "The invention of eyeglasses," Journal of the History of Medicine and Allied Sciences, volume 11, pages 13-46 (part 1) and 183-218 (part 2).

(2) Vincent Ilardi, Renaissance Vision from Spectacles to Telescopes (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: American Philosophical Society, 2007), pages 13-18.

Cwkmail (talk) 07:45, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you don't mind, but I've added some of it back in for the moment, while the page's notability is looked at. I did a Google search for his name and it came up with 7,600 pages - not a large amount by Google standards, but quite respectable. However, a lot of websites take their information from Wikipedia, and we certainly don't want to further spread seemingly false information.

The sources listed here showing he is the inventor are not reliable sources. However, the information is there on many websites - none of them seem reliable either, but it seems to be quite widely believed that there was a possibility he invented the eyeglasses. Without any new information contradicting the reliable sources, we need to make it very clear in this article that all relaible evidence suggests this is a hoax, while keeping the original claims. This seems to me a tricky one - if it is widely thought that he was the inventor (and thus peopel would search for him), then it seems best that he has an article so people can find out why it was previously thought that he was the inventor, and what the truth is. However, if he wasn't the inventor, does he meet WP:NOTABILITY guidelines?

It survived a deletion attempt in 2004, but as that was in the early days of Wikipedia, I don't think that shows it is popularly supported.

I think if this is to be nominated for deletion (as Cwkmail would like), then it should probably go via WP:AFD so it can get a good look-at first. lthough I've added 'notability' and 'refimprove' tags, these tags have mad backlogs, and pages often wait years to be looked over. Boleyn (talk) 06:56, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Don't delete this page

As a very new contributor, it seems to me that this page contains very important information that counters and corrects a widely held belief that Salvino D'Armate invented eyeglasses; and gives some interesting background history of how that original mistaken belief may have come about. The page seems to serve a useful purpose. It may be on the boundary of being "encyclopedic" - including someone for what they did not do - but is still useful to vistors seeking information. I would not delete it (but I'm more than happy to be told I'm wrong by someone more knowledgeable). Certainly, if someone searches for "Salvino D'Armate," all (or most) of the information in this page should be easily found. MyrtleDene (talk) 11:58, 5 June 2011 (UTC) MyrtleDene (talk) 12:17, 8 June 2011 (UTC) (again)[reply]

A notable hoax or fraud is still notable. It's proper for us to cover it.--Srleffler (talk) 02:21, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lol. Words like hoax mustn't be used on wikipedia. I think this case can't be resolved on the talk page. We many need take here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aresmobil8890lk (talk • contribs) 13:40, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsense. We have reliable sources that say that the claims of invention are a hoax. One of your sources is not a reliable source, and the other doesn't even seem to mention eyeglasses or D'Armati. To be of any use, a source claiming that D'Armati invented eyeglasses would have to be a reliable source, and would have to specifically address the published work that says that D'Armati's claimed invention was a hoax. A source that does not do this is of no value here.--Srleffler (talk) 02:03, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]