Talk:Fedor von Bock

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Somebody's Grandpa one imagines Wetman 19:51, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)

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Apols for the double rollback, my mistake. -- Graham  :) | Talk 23:48, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Where did he die

Does anyone know where von Bock was killed? Thanks!

Oremp (talk) 10:52, 24 June 2016 (UTC)06.24.2016

F. von Bock has got under bombardment of the English aircraft on the Kiel highway when he together with the wife and the daughter drove the car to Hamburg on May 3. He has been seriously wounded and has died in hospital next day. Where there was this hospital, I don't know.

Expansion of article

I've started to dramatically expand the article. I added several photos along with Military person infobox. I'm currently working on expanding the sections on von Bock's command of Army Group Center and Army Group South during the Invasion of the Soviet Union. I don't have too many sources on his involvment in the invasions of Poland and France so maybe someone could please work on those sections that has access to more information. Tzar 01:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I also need some help on Bock during WW1 Tzar 14:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

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Ancestry

"He was born into a Prussian Protestant aristocratic family whose military heritage is traceable to the time of the Hohenzollerns." Since the "time of the Hohenzollerns" ended only in 1918, this is a rather silly statement. How far back can his family's military heritage actually be traced? If no-one knows, this line should be deleted. Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 03:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Updating research

This article would bear some work to update it, the primary acknowledged source being from 1971 there have been significant advances in the understanding of the war on the eastern front since the 70's with much notable research and new writing, some of the comments for example concerning the relationship between Bock and Hitler are somewhat tendentious. There is now strong evidence that Hitler did not change Army Group Centre's orders when the two panzer groups attached to it were diverted away to support operations on the flanks rather than the drive on Moscow. There is now strong evidence (e.g. considered in David Stahel's book published in 2009) that Hitler always supported a northward diversion in the pre-war planning and accountability for whether this was faulty decision making might more appropriately rest with, for example, Halder and other senior planners in the army for failing to address this with Hitler, and failings in their overall operational planning. Halder failed to communicate what he knew was Hitler's preference for the northward diversion down the chain of command (he hoped to persuade Hitler to rethink once operations were under way) further exacerbating the problem by making the diversion away from Moscow appear unexpected to commanders like von Bock. The same book cites primary sources indicating before the invasion Hitler had also shared his views that Army Group South would receive support from the Army Group Centre panzers in a diversion away from Moscow. I just pick these as examples of how new research may influence improving the quality of these articles. I'm planning to review a number of the WW2 Eastern Front entries. --Freagman (talk) 21:05, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

--Oremp (talk) 11:29, 24 June 2016 (UTC)Oremp 06.24.2016 Fairy tales about "awful frosts" near Moscow in 1941 have been thought up by Germans to justify the defeat in the Moscow fight. Aryan generals just had no right to lose fight to the Russian generals! Loss to "general Moroz" was more honourable. :) But if to study data of weather reports for winter 1941/1942, then it is possible to be convinced that any record frosts (as it is written in article - - 45C!!! ;) why not -60C? lol ) wasn't. Study data of meteorological stations of Moscow and the surrounding cities and you are convinced of everything.

"Der Sterber"

Whatever Time magazine wrote in 1941, in German "der Sterber" does not mean "the Starver". It does not imply death by starvation. It is simply a made-up word, turning the verb "sterben" (to die) into a noun. Just like "die-or" or "dier" -- it makes not awfully much sense, but in context you can guess the meaning and feelings the word is supposed to convey. Again, starving has nothing to do with it. Probably the nickname is completely made-up or even WW2 propaganda, anyway.88.68.51.17 (talk) 21:49, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

"Der Sterber" is not a German word at all. The Dying one is "der Sterbende". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.86.176.180 (talk) 10:42, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

"Der Sterber" is German enough for Brecht to use it in "Schweyk in the Second World War". 217.69.150.4 (talk) 21:26, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Problematic sources

This article suffers from reliance on outdated (1971, 1941 (!)) or unreliable/potentially unreliable sources (some I already tagged, there's also a Battlefield Russia documentary(. I plan to look at the article in the next couple of days with a critical eye. Meanwhile, if there are any suggestions, please let me know. K.e.coffman (talk) 07:41, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Dated source

Moving this here for storage:

• As a leader who lectured his soldiers about the honor of dying for the German Fatherland, he was nicknamed "Der Sterber" (literally, ambiguously, and ironically: "The Dier").

Some more:

• A lifelong officer in the German military, Bock was considered to be a very "by the book" general. He also had a reputation for being a fiery lecturer, earning him the nickname "Holy Fire of Küstrin". Bock was not considered to be a brilliant theoretician, but possessed a strong sense of determination, feeling that the greatest glory that could come to a German soldier was to die on the battlefield for the Fatherland.

References

K.e.coffman (talk) 01:19, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

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one of the most war criminals of world war 2 and nazism

fedor von bock leaded the wehrmacht in the invasion of poland 1939. he commanded the luftwaffe of the wehrmacht in the bombardement of warsaw.

fedor von bock conquered poland for nazi germany and was one of the main preparators of the holocaust.

bocks luftwaffe bombed civilian targets in the bombardement of warsaw, also the warsaw ghetto was bombed by him. before invasion of poland, in poland lived more than 3.000.000 jews and bocks luftwaffe bombed poland. maybe fedor von bock is related to Friedrich-Wilhelm Bock, a high ranked ss general. 2003:FA:5F05:6D00:D0C0:7C4C:8268:C928 (talk) 05:18, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Lacks Sufficient Citations

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Daniel9247 (talk) 13:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)