Talk:Emile Heskey

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Quote: "Emile Heskey made footballing history in 1997 when he became the 1st black player ever."

Imagine the fun people at the Guardian would have with this sentence. There could be a competition for completing that sentence. Or did they vandalize this page already? There was something about this on the podcast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.225.172.40 (talk) 01:43, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Quote: Many people believe that Emile is the worlds best targetman for long balls and throughout his career he has proved this, with endless head downs to his strike partners. It has been acknowledged by many that Emile is considered to be a cross between Jan Koller and Pele.

I think I've got reasonable grounds to delete that without asking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.17.202.62 (talk) 21:44, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I think Heskey himself wrote that BobbyAFC 06:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Ivanhoe is his middle name? You can't be serious. Lowzeewee

GA review

It looks good so far, just a few tweaks are needed:

• Leads is too small. I wouldn't mind a third paragraph. A little suggestion: Try and expand on his international career in the lead, I don't think a sentence really efficient - Try and expand on facts like who he made his debut against and why was he dropped from the England team (Poor performances? International retirement?)

 Done Expanded. Mattythewhite 18:47, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

• Leicester City section is worryingly small considering he spent the longest there.

 Done Expanded. Mattythewhite 18:09, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

• Also, although this isn't really your fault, but surely his £11 million move isn't any longer a club record is it, considering Mr. Torres.

 Done Sorted out. Mattythewhite 18:10, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but shouldn't you include the fact that Torres is the current record holder then? Sorry, it kinda leaves a relevant gap in the article. Interestly you could also use the succession box and the {{s-record}} if you can find the previous record holder before Heskey, have a look at Nico Rosberg's succession boxes for a better idea. --Phill ^{talk Edits} _{Review this GA review!} 21:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

 Done Mentioned Torres being the record holder. Mattythewhite 22:12, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

• Also, but perhaps this is just me, but the article doesn't really explore why Liverpool bought Heskey...Did they need a new striker? Was a replacement? etc...
•  Not done I don't think there is any particular way of finding out why they bought him, really.. Mattythewhite 18:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
  • True, but you could explore a few ideas and see what you come up with... --Phill ^{talk Edits} _{Review this GA review!} 21:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
    • What exactly do you mean? But, I've slightly expanded that sentence. Mattythewhite 08:40, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
      • Well it doesn't really matter because this one was optional. But I mean have a look at the Liverpool team prior to Heskey's arrival and see if there are any "gaps" in the team in certain positions. But like I said, it's optional.--Phill ^{talk Edits} _{Review this GA review!} 09:31, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
• Same with the Birmingham City...Try and expand a little

 Done Expanded. Mattythewhite 18:34, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

• A few specifics with the Wigan section - "Heskey was signed by Wigan Athletic for £5.5m during the summer of 2006." yes? And who did he make his debut against?

 Done Debut mentioned. Mattythewhite 18:22, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

• In the clubs stats section, could you add a note saying how up to date the table is - to avoid anyone in future inaccuracies.

 Done Mattythewhite 17:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

• Did Heskey have any individual honours?

I don't believe so. Mattythewhite 18:39, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Anyway, I do realise this is just for Good Article status, but still several sections will need major "beefing up" if you want to take this article beyond GA. But apart from that, it's still a nice article. --Phill ^{talk Edits} _{Review this GA review!} 16:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Cheers for seeing to those problems, I'll now pass this article as a GA. A few things you could do in the future is of course expand a few sections, not only that but have a section on his personal and early life would be good as well. I'm also sure you know the drill as well Matty, see my sig for a "subtle" reminder. --Phill ^{talk Edits} _{Review this GA review!} 09:31, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Having read the article - there are some bits that repeat, and other bits (whilst cited) don't give both sides of the argument. For instance his "Strength" should and probably could be cross referenced with his ability to fall over at a touch.--Koncorde 23:01, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

suggestion for addition to page - Emile's goal in the 5-1 win by England v Germany on 1 September 2001 in World Cup qualifying, in Munich. Not only was this match described (by the BBC) as poossibly England's finest ever (arguable, but certainly very significant in rescuing a failing qualifying campaign and setting a record for the biggest defeat of a major rival, but also the match was the source of an England supporters' chant still used today "Five-one, even Heskey scored" in a would-be humorous reference to Heskey's perceived inability to score goals. I'm surprised this is not part of an otherwise very thorough article.THe IRB (talk) 23:43, 25 September 2012 (UTC) (THe_IRB)26 Sep 2012

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Statistics section

someone needs to sort that out so the tables don't overlap, i've had a look but can't see how to do so.Skitzo (talk) 19:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Style of play

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I'm sorry why should this be included in the article? I don't see Steven Gerrard's style of play mentioned in his article or Frank Lampard's in his article. So why should a lesser player? Also a pacy forward what the hell? Deleted. 81.47.151.9 (talk)

I'd also like to point out that the sources that have been quoted are several years old. They may no longer reflect Heskey's capability. You've heard of Heskey being in his prime well yes that did happen but that has also happened to Gianfranco Zola at one point he was called the world's best player but after he left Chelsea he was no longer in that category. I personally think it ought to be deleted. 83.104.51.181 (talk) 14:23, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• Style of Play I know that there has been much debate over this. Give me a valid reason as to why it is on the article and why other player's don't have something like this? The sources are years old one dating back I think to 2001 we can't quote news from 2001 and claim it is the current news yet that is what this article is representing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.51.181 (talk) 14:30, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Maybe people have just never bothered adding these sections to other players articles? And perhaps it could be written in the past tense to suit the age of the news articles? Mattythewhite (talk) 14:33, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• • A footballer's style of play is a subject of interest to readers and an important aspect of their playing career, so it's perfectly normal to include an outline of it in articles. There are three footballer articles rated as Featured Article, Thierry Henry, Gilberto Silva and Duncan Edwards; all three have a Style of play section. Some articles rated Good Article (Joey Barton, Chris Brandon, Mark Bresciano, etc) have such a section, some don't. You make a reasonable point about the assessment of Heskey's style being from a six-year-old source; perhaps you might have a look for some more recent reliable sources for a description of the player's style, perhaps sources which might illustrate how his style has changed over time, and improve the article using those? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:07, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Struway I appreciate what you have said. But there are no sources that would say Heskey's style of play has changed since 2001. Whoever thought that Mr. Heskey's style of play would be debated so thoroughly. Ok, I admit it a dozen or a few more football players articles have a small 'Style of Play' section. Most of these are still very relevant though and some of the player's that you mentioned are currently in their pomp and a lot younger than Mr. Heskey. Also the opening of 'Style of Play' is more or less the same as the start introduction to the article. Maybe you could make some suggestions or maybe we could come to some sort of compromise. Thanks. 83.104.51.181 (talk) 20:38, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Arguable, isn't it. I'd say that of those three players with featured status articles, two are past their prime and one's dead. Whatever the class of article, or for that matter the class of footballer, a footballer's style of play ought to be discussed in their article, whether it's in a separate section or spread out over the article; if it isn't, then the article needs to be improved so that it doesn't leave out a major aspect of the player's professional career.

I did a google search on ' "Emile Heskey" pace Wigan '; including Wigan so that the results would be relatively recent. In the first ten results, I comment on these two. In this one, the Guardian writer "unexpectedly" watched "a masterclass in pace, power, movement and intelligence". In this one, the writer is happy to remind us of Heskey's giving away the free kick that resulted in England going out of Euro2004, but still mentions that "Heskey’s strengths are his pace and strength". I'm away for a couple of days, so haven't got time, but if you'd consider updating the style of play section to incorporate those recent assessments of the player's style, you'd be doing Wikipedia a favour. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 21:50, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I re-edited the whole 'Style of play' section to reflect how well Heskey did in his youth at Leicester and his £11m move to Liverpool. However I have also added harsh truths that reflect both sides of the coin. I have informed readers of how he USED to be pacy but has no lost that ability. I added that he has brought many other things to his game. All sources have been kept. I hope my work is satisfactory. 83.104.51.181 (talk) 13:55, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry I still don't like it and I've re-edited it all myself. His style of play is being a big lump what else is there to his game? The stuuf I've added is just niceties. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.51.181 (talk) 17:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Emile Heskey/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the Good article criteria. In reviewing the article, I have found there are a number of issues that need to be addressed.

• It is reasonably well written.

  a (prose): b (MoS):

The prose was not good, I have given a copyedit which brings it up to basic standards, but it still needs work. Maybe a 5/10 now.--Jackyd101 (talk) 13:00, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

• It is factually accurate and verifiable.

  a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

I have added a couple of tags in the style of play section.

• It is broad in its coverage.

  a (major aspects): b (focused):

I'd really like to see some information about his personal life: Where was he born and who to; has he ever been married or had children; has he ever appeared in the news for any reason relating to his personal life? His Antiguan descent is mentioned in the lead but not the main body of the text.--Jackyd101 (talk) 13:00, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

• It follows the neutral point of view policy.

  a (fair representation): b (all significant views):

• It is stable.

  

• It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.

  a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):

• Overall:

  a Pass/Fail:

I will check back in no less than seven days. If progress is being made, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted (such a decision may be challenged through WP:GAR). If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAN again. Feel free to drop a message on my talk page if you have any questions, and many thanks for all the hard work that has gone into this article thus far. (If you are really busy, let me know and I'll give more time. I need to know however so I can see that someone is interested in addressing these concerns. Regards --Jackyd101 (talk) 13:00, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I think your concerns have been addressed over the last few days by myself and several other editors. Would you say the changes are enough? Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 19:24, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I certainly would! congratulations.--Jackyd101 (talk) 20:34, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I like the style of play section but it is even more subjective than career descriptions. Certainly at Leicester City Heskey showed high levels of skill on the ground and would not have been regarded as a "blunt instrument" (THe_IRB)THe IRB (talk) 23:36, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

"A man possessed"

Regarding the sentence "After the match, Heskey was described as "a man possessed", after playing at the heart of the Wigan defence, a position not suited to his play" and its reference, I don't believe that the sentence is valid. Can I have a second opinion on this? (Vindicta (talk) 00:56, 19 October 2008 (UTC))

Agreed - the writer has completely misread the article. I can't ascertain the reason why it was written in to the article in the first place! I'll fix it now. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 23:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Personal life

Hi, this is a warning that the personal life information in this article is much too short. Any biography that is of GA standard must have at least one well organised paragraph describing the persons life outside of their field for which they are famous or otherwise incorporate that information elsewhere in the text. This article does not provide enough information on the person in question and does not give enough context for the incidents and information that is mentioned. For an example of how such a section might look, see Brian Urlacher and for pointers on how to expand and improve the section, see this guide. If this information is not improved then this article would be unlikely to survive a Good Article Reassessment and may well be delisted in the future. Thanks --Jackyd101 (talk) 10:28, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Birthplace

His birthplace isn't in Spain, like it says on the profile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRegtur (talk • contribs) 00:05, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

We have a vandal at present, but not for long.... Rodhullandemu 00:08, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Heskey time

Can you mention the disparaging song about Heskey by a rapper named Randolph in this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.239.123 (talk) 09:27, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Wouldn't have thought so. Wikipedia isn't here to provide free advertising for a non-notable musician's latest download, just because it's about a well-known person. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:47, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

The song/Fifa 12 tribute video has over 673,000 views on youtube.--86.173.234.241 (talk) 08:35, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 January 2012

Jo5hi99 (talk) 16:25, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

No request made--Jac16888 ^Talk 16:31, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Signed for Newcastle Jets in Australia's A-League

Today (19 September 2012), Heskey has signed a one-year deal with A-League side Newcastle Jets.

<http://www.news.com.au/sport/soccer/former-england-striker-emile-heskey-set-to-sign-for-a-league-club-newcastle-jets/story-fndkzvnd-1226476821669>

He has only reportedly sign. no official word.Simione001 (talk) 08:08, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 September 2012

Please change in the 'Style of Play' section, the Heskey provides a large amount off assists. Should be large number. Gramatical error! 2.26.41.32 (talk) 21:02, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Done but not by me (though I would have if someone had not beaten me to it). —KuyaBriBri^Talk 19:25, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Heskey goal versus Germany in England's 5-1 win on 1 September 2001 World Cup Qualifier

I'm surprised that Emile's goal in this game has not been mentioned. The game has been described as possibly the England team's best ever performance. While that is arguable it was undoubtedly a major victory setting up World Cup qualification after a poor start, and represents England's biggest victory over constant rival Germany. Further, this game is the source of a popular England supporters' chant still in use today *Five-One, even Heskey scored" referring to Heskey's perceived lack of goals in a would-be humorous way. This may not be the most appropriate place to comment on the "style of play" section but 1) I think it's an interesting element of a sports entry on Wikipedia and 2)Anyone who watched Heskey regularly at Leicester would dispute that he was just a blunt instrument. In my view his levels of ball control on the ground were well developed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.145.34.192 (talk) 23:20, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Paragraphs in lead section

When the lead section of the article began with a single sentence, I could understand why someone might want to combine it with the next paragraph. WP:LAYOUT advises us to minimise the number of single-sentence paragraphs. So I added a second sentence including a brief summary of Mr Heskey's club and international career, i.e. mentioning "the notable actions or roles the person played" as per MOS:BIO#Opening paragraph bullet point 4. Now, I can't see how it makes any sense aesthetically or logically to combine that with the second (introductory early life and club career) paragraph. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:57, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Look at other football player articles and you can see they are usually made up of paragraphs. Your the only one that insists on having a two sentence intro. Alessandro Del Piero, Michael Ballack, Lionel Messi, Ronaldo, Cristiano Ronaldo, Zinedine Zidane, Didier Drogba, Carlos Tevez, Yaya Toure, etc. Portillo (talk) 07:59, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 October 2012

I wish to edit this page BobsBoys (talk) 16:00, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

What would you like to see changed? Mattythewhite (talk) 16:07, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. If you wish to have the protection on this page removed, please contact Reaper Eternal (talk · contribs) first, as s/he is the administrator who protected the article. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 15:07, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Something needs changing.

In the '2010 FIFA World Cup qualification' part of his 'International career' section, it says he scored against Kazakhstan in 2010, but it was in 2009. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blinky123 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

'2010 World Cup qualifier' refers to the tournament, not the year the match was played, but I've added the year following the month to dispel any ambiguity. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 16:57, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2014

I have a lot of new info about Heskey. Lagalog (talk) 19:46, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Request to edit page by serial vandal, Lagalog, should definitely be denied until he learns to play nice. GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 19:55, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Jackmcbarn (talk) 19:56, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2014

Emile Heskey training with Bolton Wanderers (December 2014). Source: The Bolton News 78.148.29.253 (talk) 11:32, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

 Done - Arjayay (talk) 13:34, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2016

Emile Heskey working as a coach for Bolton U21 team (2 January 2016). Source: The Bolton News — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.242.228 (talk) 10:09, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

• Not done: Do you have a link to this source? Or actual identifying information? Just the name isn't going to cut it. --Majora (talk) 11:14, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2021

I believe we should agknowledge the KSI song because it was very important to heskey as it made him a national hero Jonjo4eva (talk) 13:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2023

31.203.182.168 (talk) 13:19, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Emile's sons Jaden and Reigan currently play for Manchester City's EDS.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Pinchme123 (talk) 05:13, 9 November 2023 (UTC)