Talk:Juan Fernández Islands

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About Juan Fernandez nationality please see the Chilean Government site: http://www.gobiernodechile.cl/canal_regional/detalle.asp?veregion=5 (5th paragraph from the bottom)

or other Chilean sites such as: http://www.mav.cl/robinson/juanfernandez/historia.htm http://www.endemica.com/hhist.html http://www.gochile.cl/spa/Tour/Tours-Juan-Fernandez.asp

Somebody had invented something about a so called Joao Fernandes working for the Spanish crown and a weird history about switching names from Portuguese to Spanish and so… This is absolutely fake, and also the date when Juan Fernández arrived the islands. Juan Fernández was born in Seville, Spain, and was working for his own country. I have corrected the error.

Contradictions

There appears to be a contradiction in the size of the islnads. In the introduction, "The islands have an area of 181 km², of which 93 km² are taken up by Robinson Crusoe (together with Santa Clara), and 33 km² by Alexander Selkirk."

In the Geology section, "Alexander Selkirk is the largest of the islands, at 50 km²; its highest peak is Los Innocentes at 1319 meters. Robinson Crusoe is 48 km², and the highest peak, El Yunque, is 916 meters. Santa Clara is 2.2 km², and reaches 350 meters."

There is a difference of 17 sqkm between the quotes. The first quote indicates that Crusoe is most likely the largest (based on the maps), but the second quote belies that.

What is correct?

I have the same question. Does anybody know something about that ? If we check the history, we can see that in September 2005 the area was 126 km². Thank you. Duloup 13:50, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Penal colony

I read something about these islands being used as a prison, until about 1930, in Boudewijn Buch - Eenzaam, Eilanden 2(1992) Translation from Dutch:

"Isla Robinson Crusoe and Isla Alejandro Selkirk were almost exclusively inhabited by strangers and prisoners, from their discovery until far in the twentieth century. If one was not already mad when going there, most would get insane anyway because the islands had been put to use as prisons by the Chilenes and Spanish for two centuries. Prisoners -not rarely in the 19th century half of the Chilenish intelligence was stuck on the islands- lived there under the most cruel circumstances until 1930. Isla Robinson Crusoe is one of the most forgotten 'concentration camps' (Cited), also to be called 'Devil's Islands' in the prison history of the world."

It's interesting to me. I'd be happy to add it if I knew a little more.Inks002 (talk) 23:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Total destruction

The Juan Fernandez town has been totally destructed by the tsunami provocated for the 2010 Chile Earthquake. There are 8 confirm death, and many disapeard. --Tommy The Wise (talk) 00:57, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Infobox

I'm wondering if {{Infobox country}} is really appropriate on this page. {{Infobox islands}} doesn't have fields for a flag or shield. {{Infobox settlement}} has everything this article needs plus room for blanks. Would anyone be opposed to me converting it to Settlement? - Ruodyssey (talk) 07:53, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Create it and post in here first, just in case I reckon. Off the bat though, seems more appropriate. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 09:57, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Good idea, testing here. How's this look? Feel free to make changes here directly.
I'm not sure if there is a communal flag, but it's nowhere to be found on wiki. Also, the photo can be left off; I just threw it in there to see how it might look. - Ruodyssey (talk) 06:05, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Placed the other one below to compare. The font on the current one is nicer, but informationwise the one you added seems much more useful. Maybe the picture can be moved to the bottom of something? Up to you. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 10:34, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, there's something I didn't realize: the {{Hidden}} template I was using changed the font size slightly. I removed it and placed the old and the proposed next to each other, and they look nearly the same to me. As for the photo, I don't think it's possible to move it. Personally, I think it makes the infobox TOO tall, but it's no biggie. Also, Settlement does metric/imperial conversions automatically! :) - Ruodyssey (talk) 14:40, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Good job. You're much better at formatting than me. Change it, noone needs to know the internet code of the Juan Fernandez Islands is .cl! Although the font is still a tad uglier :) ! Chipmunkdavis (talk) 14:47, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

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If more than one, use {{lang}} instead --> | other_name = | settlement_type = Special Territory and [[Communes of Chile|Commune]]<!-- such as Town, Village, City, Borough etc. --> <!-- images, nickname, motto ---> | image_skyline = Bahia cumberland.JPG | imagesize = | image_alt = The town of San Juan Bautista in Cumberland Bay, Robinson Crusoe Island | image_caption = The town of [[San Juan Bautista (Juan Fernández Islands)|San Juan Bautista]] in Cumberland Bay, [[Robinson Crusoe Island]] | image = <!-- other image (specify File: or Image: namespace) --> | image_flag = Flag of Chile.svg | flag_size = | flag_alt = | flag_link = | image_shield = Escudo de Juan Fernández.svg | shield_size = | shield_alt = Coat of arms | shield_link = | image_blank_emblem = | nickname = | motto = | anthem = <!-- maps and coordinates ------> | image_map = CL Pacific islands.PNG | mapsize = | map_alt = | map_caption = Map of Insular Chile with [[Easter Island]], [[Sala y Gómez]], [[Desventuradas Islands]] 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Purported Flag

I am removing the flag from main article as I can find no trace of it on the internet. It seems to have been created by the uploader himself, which in turn has only 3 edits. So this is a likely hoax/self-design/proposal. Travelbird (talk) 12:20, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

I found sources demonstrating that a different flag now has local official status and have added it to the article.

Sources are: http://www.comunajuanfernandez.cl/2015/11/24/celebramos-nuestro-aniversario-con-nueva-bandera/ and http://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/2015/11/23/archipielago-juan-fernandez-celebra-aniversario-con-nueva-bandera.shtml

The quality of the flag is not too great and should be improved by someone with better knowledge of graphics. Travelbird (talk) 12:36, 30 April 2017 (UTC)