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"Is this the best Wikipedia entry ever? Officer served in THREE wars, was shot in the face, head, stomach, ankle, leg, hip, and ear, escaped a PoW camp and bit off his fingers when doctors refused to amputate". Daily Mail. 17 July 2013. Retrieved 18 July 2013.

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Adrian Carton de Wiart has been linked from multiple high-traffic websites.

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10 July 2013	The Daily Dot	link	Traffic
12 July 2013	Fark	link	Traffic
12 July 2013	Boing Boing	link	Traffic
17 july 2013	Daily Mail	link	Traffic

Consistency with Memoirs

I'm currently reading Happy Odyssey and finding a few inconsistencies between that and this article. Anyone object if I make a few changes to bring the article into line with de Wiart's own writings? 66.134.170.155 (talk) 17:07, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article needs some clean up, section wise, and making sure it has a Neutral Point of View. -- AllyUnion (talk) 00:34, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Colloquial

The language here is much too colloquial, needs to be rewritten in a more neutral, professional manner. MKV 20:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please give me an example of colloquial language in this article. Polycarp

"This was well before the time of political correctness."

"He was put on the shelf."

I think the writer makes the misstep (easy in this case) of liking the subject too much and straying from NPOV. Cranston Lamont 21:01, 21 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

While an intresting read the language appears to not have been improved upon. For examples:

"He invariably went to the Sir Douglas Shield's Nursing Home, 17 Park Lane, to recuperate, and became a regular customer"

"Then he went back to Poland and many more front line adventures"

The article appears to go off topic sometimes and give unneeded/too much information on other matters:

"During World War I, Carton De Wiart received the Victoria Cross (VC), the highest and most prestigious award for gallantry in the face of the enemy that can be awarded to British and Commonwealth forces. It is infrequently awarded and, perhaps, the most highly esteemed medal for bravery in the English-speaking world. He was 36 years old, and a lieutenant-colonel in the 4th Dragoon Guards (Royal Irish), British Army, attached to the Gloucestershire Regiment, commanding the 8th Battalion, when the following events took place for which he was awarded the VC:"

"His last Polish aide de camp was Prince Karol Radziwiłł, who inherited a gigantic 500,000 acre (2,000 km²) estate in eastern Poland when the Communists killed his uncle. They became friends and Carton de Wiart was given the use of a large estate called Prostyń, in the Pripet Marshes, an enormous wetland area larger than Ireland and famous for waterfowl. Since borders have changed, it is now where Belarus and Ukraine come together. De Wiart's home was a converted hunting lodge on an island, only a few miles from the Soviet border.""

Dont get me wrong, i like the article but the language needs to be tightend up a bit and the main text not get so sidetracked.--EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 15:30, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this article is a little too subjectively admiring of Carton de Wiart. He is clearly an easy man to like. Cranston Lamont (talk) 06:52, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have tried to remove most of the fawning comments about how likable he was. Dormskirk (talk) 21:43, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Portrait

I think this article needs a portrait of the person discussed. I would upload and edit it myself if I only knew how.

Goto Special:Upload, and then reference your image as [[Image:filename.ext]]] --Gabriel Millerd (talk) 17:22, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

here are quite a few http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/person.asp?LinkID=mp01288 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gmillerd (talk • contribs) 17:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What did he command?

"De Wiart was in the thick of the fighting on the Western Front, commanding successively a brigade and three infantry battalions." But a bridage IS three infantry battalions. Should it be the other way round? ie. He was battalion commander of three different battalions and then was promoted to CO of a brigade? --Affentitten 06:15, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Quotes and references

As I've indicated, we really need page numbers as well as the book for each of the direct quotes. Also the catalogue reference given for the quote via Max Hastings, FO 371/F6140/34/10, is not a valid reference in The National Archives' online catalogue. I've linked it to FO 371/34 as that appears plausible (unfortunately the dates for all the files in this series are given as 1906), the F6140/10 could well be a folio and page number. David Underdown (talk) 13:54, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Copy-editing and references

This really needs cleaning up - the prose is still very informal and fawning, and the article is mostly unreferenced. To me, it doesn't read like an encyclopedia article. If I have time I'll try to put some time into it, but probably won't be able to research sources. Any help would be appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.254.226.57 (talk) 04:20, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removed the segment "A man's man, he was more drawn to the outdoors type of person." from his biography, as it was subjective, unscientific and because the latter part was not a correct sentence and the content had already been covered earlier in the biography, when discussing his taste for hunting, outdoor sports and sailing. Arnkell (talk) 09:43, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I have tried to remove most of the colloquialisms. Dormskirk (talk) 21:43, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And nine years later, I have also significantly improved the referencing. Dormskirk (talk) 15:09, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Daily Dot: This is the most interesting man on Wikipedia

On July 10, 2013, Aja Romano of The Daily Dot linked to Adrian Carton de Wiart in an article titled "This is the most interesting man on Wikipedia". Based on the traffic spike from a normal of under 500/day to over 30K/day, I'm going to add {{high-traffic}} shortly. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 21:52, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's not the only one: [1] - check back here for more! -- ke4roh (talk) 02:22, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Best Opening Paragraph Ever

Congratulations to the people who wrote it. Spoonkymonkey (talk) 14:26, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Really! This is how lede should look like! Bravo! --WhiteWriter^speaks 15:22, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jesus, what a person! --WhiteWriter^speaks 15:34, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

takes a bow* Thank you, thank you very much. You're a wonderful audience. --*Kat* (talk) 04:02, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I really can't take the credit. The best part of the paragraph was written by someone on reddit. I just copied and pasted what he wrote here. --*Kat* (talk)

Found possible vandalism

was shot in the face, head, stomach, ankle, leg, hip and ear, survived a plane crash, tunneled out of a POW camp, received a trunk job, and bit off his own fingers when a doctor refused to amputate them. What is a "trunk job"? I can't find it in the source, so I'm assuming someone pulled a coding trick.Mzmadmike (talk) 16:38, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like it's been fixed. --RA (✍) 20:59, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Linked from Fark

This page has been linked from Fark. I've noted it at the top.--Ray Chason (talk) 22:11, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Norwegian campaign

The phrase «Carton de Wiart managed to move his forces over the mountains», regarding the move from Namsos to Trondheim should be improved. Namdalseid is the high-point on the journey from Namsos to Trondheim, at 100m above sea level. You are moving through the floor of the Namdalen valley, which can not be phrased «over the mountains». Grstein (talk) 08:38, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Let's turn this into a feature article

We got enough people here to do it....so let's do it.

I'm game. the one sean 01:57, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A worldwide interest is building up for this page / individual. The visits to the page have sky rocketed from virtually nothing to average 40-50,000 a day just this week: See http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Adrian_Carton_de_Wiart But a huge revamp is in order. Three quarters of all citations are from London Gazette on various dates. References should be more varied and from a number of other good sources. I couldn't help but notice too many one-line and two-line paragraphs in various sections. Clearly this page needs a huge clean-up. werldwayd (talk) 10:16, 16 July 2013 (UTC) werldwayd (talk) 10:22, 16 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

One of the obvious (to me) omissions is that neither his mother nor his stepmother are named. BrainyBabe (talk) 16:09, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I will, with your help, create a table comparing FA criteria to this article. Next few days, stay tuned. the one sean 17:28, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30685433

Daily Mail coverage

Just a nudge that this page made it to one of the most read newspapers online: [2].

Brace yourselves ;) Paulbrock (talk) 09:10, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The unimportant French ship

"a French and a British destroyer, HMS Afridi" - Why is it that only British ship had a name? --Oop (talk) 06:35, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Conflict

In this article the sentence: 'The grave site is just outside the actual graveyard wall on the grounds of his own home Aghinagh House.' This does not accord with the Aghinagh House article which states: 'Sir Adrian is buried in the grounds of the church adjacent to Aghinagh House.' This should be corrected by people who know more about the subject's history than I do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.57.212.213 (talk) 23:29, 13 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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