Talk:Jean de Lattre de Tassigny

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"When war was declared in 1939, he became the youngest general in French history"

What ? He was 50 then; Hoche was made a general at 25 ! Rama 09:40, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Why is there no picture? There must be some record of him? ````Jtflood1976

Sources

There are lots and lots of sources out there about this person. He is a major figure in recent French military history. For now, I'm putting two more obscure sources that I found while looking for information on his son: Jean De Lattre, Ma Raison De Vivre (1978) is a book by his widow. Details are here. She also wrote a two-volume work Jean de Lattre: Mon Mari (1971-2). Details here. Carcharoth (talk) 12:09, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Some more sources:

www.ecpad.fr

Carcharoth (talk) 17:27, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

British Pathé news report

this is about the Battle of the Day River and the death of Jean de Lattre de Tassigny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUsZHrMB-O4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Man74 (talk • contribs) 19:51, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Vietnam section lacks neutrality

The section covering the general's time in Vietnam seems laudatory and fails to be objective. For example, the idea that he was respected by his enemy seems highly unlikely. Additionally, there is no context given. Vietnam was fighting for independence as a colony under the control of France. My understanding of that Franco-Vietnam conflict is that France got their asses handed to them and even with Eisenhower covering 80% of the cost of the conflict. The Vietnam war is an important historical event and I feel like this article is getting the history wrong by coming across as pro-France propaganda. Brad Thomas Hanks (talk) 03:46, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

This section of the article seems to me carefully referenced. As such, I don't see any problem concerning both sides respecting him. However, it is true that it could require further referencing.

Concerning the part your describing as propaganda, I don't see it for one bit. All the article is mentionning are the victories de Lattre got, and if you know a little bit about the first Vietnam War and its first part, it's consistent with the progress made by the French Army at this point. It is true that there is no mention of a single defeat, and that deserves some research.

But in the end, as far as this section is concerned, it seems factual and I don't really see the propaganda you are referencing to. A second referencing could be interesting to check if nothing was left over. CocoricoPolynesien (talk) 04:53, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think you point out the specifics of what I was feeling generally, namely the defeats should be added to the account but looks like he died too quickly to be credited with leading the french into a morass.

From the NYT, "Stunned, France sent out its most distinguished general: Jean de Lattre de Tassigny. Giap gallantly announced that the Vietminh now faced an adversary worthy of its steel. But de Lattre died of cancer amid plans for an ambitious French offensive."

Thanks! Brad Thomas Hanks (talk) 07:20, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 14:53, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Doing a bit of copy editing as a I go along, revert anything you don't like

"He Commander-in-Chief of French Forces in Germany in 1945," - missing a word?
Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
First paragraph of WWI section - three sentences all start with "he", can this be varied?
Re-worked it a bit. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"and he was wounded in the knee by a bullet on 25 August 1925" - was this a battle wound? The knife-slashing incident doesn't seem to be
Yes it was. Added a bit more more about this. As for the stabbing, the source says "by a fanatic" but I doubted that the Wikipedia would want him characterised that way. As an aside, de Lattre is a very popular biographical subject - in French. But few of them have been translated into English, and none of the recent works from the last ten years. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"De Lattre received orders from Vichy that troops were to remain in their barracks, which he decided to disobey. Staff officers informed de Lattre's superior in Avignon of his intentions. The troops did not move, and the Vichy Minister of War, Eugène Bridoux, ordered de Lattre's arrest." - lead says "refused the orders not to fight the Germans and was the only active general to order his troops to oppose the invaders". Could it be a bit clearer in the main body that this disobeying of orders constituted orders for his men to oppose the Germans?
Added a bit more about this. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"He then went to see the Commander-in-Chief of the French forces in North Africa, Général d'Armée Henri Giraud" - maybe specify now that these were Allied French forces in Africa, when the previously discussed French units in Africa had been the collaborationist Vichy governments.
Um, but they were those collaborationist Vichy units. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
" in the preparations of for Operation Anvil" - extra word?
Deleted. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
" but de Sudre's arrival sparked a popular uprising" - his surname only referred to as Sudre earlier. Is the "de" a title?
No. Stray word. Deleted. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"and the French logistical was stretched" - the use of "logistical" here seems off
Added missing word. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Although the Americans envisaged a passive role for the First Army in view of its logistical difficulties, but de Lattre pressed for a more active role" - something is off here. Drop the "but"?
Deleted "Although". Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"On the even of the resumption of his offensive in November" - is even suppose to be "eve", "evening", or something else?
Deleted "n". Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"and was elevated to Inspector Gebnertal of the Armed Forces" - is Genbertal a typo or a French term
Typo. Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I see "de lattre" is used a couple times, shouldn't it be "de Lattre"
Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
" Monitor Polski 1947 no. 27 pos. 188" - needs publisher and any additional reference details
Reformatted. Not entirely satisfactory, but this is Poland's version of the Commonwealth Gazette. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Lead says he died of cancer, but this isn't specified in the body
Ooops. Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:37, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Piping of France to "French Third Republic" etc

I do not link the infobox piping "France" to "French Fourth Republic" and "French Fourth Republic". MOS:OVERLINK says we do not link present-day countries. WP:EASTEREGG says we do not use these sort of piped links. The Third and Fourth Republics were not different countries, just system of government adopted in France for a time. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:49, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - these should be removed. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:15, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Likewise. Mathglot (talk) 01:17, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here, I agree, but I wouldn't try to stretch this outside this article as you've mischaracterized MOS:OVERLINK which actually says not to link major countries, Hawkeye. I usually link to significant differences in government like the Crown Colony of Malta, etc., as I would strongly bet that that the average reader has no idea about current places having a colonial past.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 07:41, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. They were two distinct political entities separated by Vichy France and the German occupation. If someone was born in the German Empire but passed away in the Weimar Republic those hyperlinks would exist. That's my take.3Kingdoms (talk) 14:54, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]